Chem can't even beat a minigun now
Also funny how you counter-act the nerf by nerfing p2k's and gm4
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Chem can't even beat a minigun now
Also funny how you counter-act the nerf by nerfing p2k's and gm4
I didn't touch the GM4 or the P2ks
The P2Ks had a higher fire rateQuote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
I'm trying a different stat set now.
The chemical bullets no longer go over walls but the explosive bullets do. Effectively making the secondary mode like the gas gun, and the primary gun an actual primary gun. It's called the Chemical Gun after all not the explosive gun, I never understood why the Chemical part of the gun was made worse than the secondary.
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He's saying I nerfed them both todayQuote:
Originally Posted by NicholasGraalOnlineEra
Oh, ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Please tell me this isn't chems final form, and if so please make a refund option for those who feel upset with the changes
This new chem is so funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Xur
I appreciate the changes made. Welcome back old basing.
I change my opinion as the chem bullets do 9 damage from what I've heard; and the explosive ability is pretty fair. Either way, this stops basing gangs from over-relying on chem so good job bitzsam.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlinkEra
you clearly haven't seen them in base lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BlinkEra
The explosive effect was always the problem,if it was made a 50% chance or less like the flame effect was for flamethrower it wouldn't be complained about as much.
In the form it is right now,it isn't justifiable in the slightest for 200 ec.
I don't think it matters now though,but at least make it a reasonable nerf,not outright making it unviable in the meta.
Don't even try asking for a refund. You knew FULL well it was being nerfed before you bought it. I told you on TWO separate occasions not to buy it until the nerf and YOU decided to buy it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xur
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^he got a pointQuote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
I'd like a refund on my EC. It's not worth the 200.
People said the same after the bar nerf. Chem was extremely unbalanced prior to the nerf, everyone can agree on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Bees
I don't agree with you. I bought a gun, now it's a different gun. Give me my old gun or give me a refund.Quote:
Originally Posted by PINEHONEY
Just because others got use to your changes because they had no choice, doesn't make it right.
Give me the gun I paid for or give me my refund.
Simple.
Nerfs are a regular occurrence in many games, not sure why you seem so surprised it would happen to a game like Graal where player pvp is a major aspect of the game. They usually happen due to a mistake in the initial creation of the item or a realisation of just how unbalanced it really is. In retrospect as an owner of the overpowered chem, I can completely understand why you're frustrated. Unfortunately, for the sake of the game this was the right thing to do. Weapon refunds never happened, and probably will not ever happen. Unless you make your statement extremely justifiable which currently it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Bees
Sure, I'll make it justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by PINEHONEY
You tell us there are no refunds for guns..
"You should've asked others before you bought the gun"
I knew what gun I was buying. I used it for quite a long time.
I was eating a burrito, you took it away and gave me pancakes.
I don't want pancakes.
Give me the EC back and take your pancakes so you can sell it to someone whom wants pancakes.
It is no longer the chemical gun. It is a different gun.
lol "pancakes"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Bees
Wow garbage
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Fix the bases not the gun lol
So you decided to implement this change once darkside was getting destroyed by obsidian?Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
And just for your information, Darkside has 4-5 chems as well ,so chem has nothing to do with obs holding bbz from darkside for the past few days .
Anyways , There's a reason behind it beeing 200 EC , and so it should have an advantage over any gun in this game . So if you're going to nerf it , you might as well reduce the Ec price , since no one is going to buy it now.
Refund refund refund refund refund
Full price
So am I getting my refund for the gun you took away?
or am i stuck with a 200 EC piece of garbage.
You're stuck with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Bees
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Originally Posted by XSTARX
this is why I don't buy in game currency anymore. I suggest others not to as well.
We don't offer refunds on items/weapons and we never have.
Unfortunately, for better or worse - this is the nature of a competitve online game, balancing happens.
Sure, the people who love the weapon and use it aren't going to like the changes but it's important to keep balancing and refining the overall balance of the weapons.
It's not BitzSam's fault that the gun is much better than anticipated and possibly too overpowered, he's just doing his job.
just change the price to what it's worth and give me back the EC so I can get an item I actually like.
it's probably worth close to the flamethrower now. so, 100 EC.
NOT 200 in it's current state.
It's still worth that much, it's being balanced- it's still a high-tier quality gunQuote:
Originally Posted by Dead Bees
I'm sorry if you feel ripped off, but it's balancing. it happens in every mmo
It's so bad please kill me
Can't lie it's quite rigged at this point.
I'm predicting better nerfs than the one it currently has.
Probably the nerf this time is way overboard compared to flamethrower's initial release.
that's your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendhin
then we all learned an important lesson about Graal Era's staff.
bye.
What's rigged? Who's it rigged for?Quote:
Originally Posted by XSTARX
Well it was a big nerf...and for those who bought long before the announcement of a nerf they should get a choice if they wanna keep it or get it refunded...
I'm second guessing getting it now. I spent a ton of time in events just for chem and then this happens...
As nobody was able to come to a compromise whilst I was trying to give it new stats that allowed it to still be strong and instead just complained, asked for "old stats" and wouldn't even test the gun- I have now reverted its stats back to normal and blocked it from being used in bases.
You can either be constructive so that a compromise can be reached or just not use it in bases at all. A gun with this firerate and the explosive capabilities cannot be left untouched. It literally dominates basing to the point where it's all down to whichever gang has the most chem guns.
If it remains blocked from bases then i'm happy to give it a slight BUFF for use outside of bases/ within spar.
I had to manually add all the base levels so I may have missed some. Some levels such as the rooms only bases can enter I left since there isn't really any combat there but if i've forgotten others let me know and i'll block those too.
Can't u make its stats change when it's used in bases ?
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Like
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Ok u get it
Good thing I haven't got the ecs for chem yet, well see what happens to it...
cool nerf it but to say its the only reason they had bbz?? So just curious when you came to that assumption did you ask darkside members?? Wouldnt be suprised as their trying to play victims right now. Also guys stop complaining hes not going to fix it. So just decide if you want the good chem for pking or the trash one for basing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
or...
get rid of it completely and give the EC back.
I'd rather get an item i can use...
not an item I can kinda use somewhere, where allowed sometimes. maybe.
just give everyone their EC back and remove the CG from the game.
i think its its a good opportunity for the other base gangs to gain their basing hours since other gangs have a hideout already. still i feel bad for those who bought chem.
The nerfs are so dumb lmao, like bitz do you just release bs and not even test it or what. The only thing you complain about chem is its blast radius, then maybe lower it??