Chem going to be nerfed?

[hwaryun]

The thing is you can't change a gun like CHEMICAL to a major extent, the only way to nerf it without making it absolutely terrible is by changing the entire gun, which cannot and should not be done. You can't just change a gun that costs 200 ec, it's meant to be more powerful than the rest, that's why it's so costly. Your nerf talk is silly, and shouldn't take place, no wonder everyone with the gun is complaining, it's supposed to be for spamming and giving you and advantage In basing. That's what it was made for!

And it's your fault for never putting a cap on the gun, so don't retaliate by nerfing it when you made the mistake. Deal with it.

Why can't the chemical be changed?

If he can figure out a way to change it, which in some cases does mean nerfing some aspects of the chemical, but still make it comparatively better than other guns that are of a lower tier, won't you be happy?

It's a lot better than destroying the gun. The current BAR is a former shell of itself.

[XR]

Why can't the chemical be changed?

If he can figure out a way to change it, which in some cases does mean nerfing some aspects of the chemical, but still make it comparatively better than other guns that are of a lower tier, won't you be happy?

It's a lot better than destroying the gun. The current BAR is a former shell of itself.

Guns of such high prestige shouldn't be touched, there's 100's of flames and it hasn't been nerfed. The only reason a chem nerf has come up is because it gets a lot of attention and everyone cries that they can't get one and it's unfair

[N!chola$]

What are the complaints that you keep hearing? I am curious.

Oh wait, since Nicholas is insistent on differentiating who does and who doesn't have the chem, I do not have the chem. Does that mean I can't get an answer?

No, it means that your word isn't as strong as the ones with it. You could have taken my words whatever way you wanted because this communication is done over the internet; therefore, people don't know if your mad or happy unless you say so. I didn't so...

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If you want to continue badgering me, pm me about it.

[hwaryun]

Guns of such high prestige shouldn't be touched, there's 100's of flames and it hasn't been nerfed. The only reason a chem nerf has come up is because it gets a lot of attention and everyone cries that they can't get one and it's unfair

Since I don't have a chem and can't attest to the monstrosity it is in basing, I'll just ask a simple question.

If a lot of people are providing it attention, could it mean that there is a small chance that there is something wrong?

I mean I understand why chem owners might be upset but you can't assume that everyone who thinks that it's overpowered is crying about it because it's unfair.

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No, it means that your word isn't as strong as the ones with it. You could have taken my words whatever way you wanted because this communication is done over the internet; therefore, people don't know if your mad or happy unless you say so. I didn't so...

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If you want to continue badgering me, pm me about it.

I asked a question. How is "my word" relevant in anyway?

[Star*]

I'm a chem owner and I like the soon-to-occur change, what are your thoughts now?

Fighting over such a small case, this just relates to how the exotic guns are kept rare but overall stats are still unjust for.

[N!chola$]

Since I don't have a chem and can't attest to the monstrosity it is in basing, I'll just ask a simple question.

If a lot of people are providing it attention, could it mean that there is a small chance that there is something wrong?

I mean I understand why chem owners might be upset but you can't assume that everyone who thinks that it's overpowered is crying about it because it's unfair.

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I asked a question. How is "my word" relevant in anyway?

As I said, if you want to continue this, pm me about it.

[BiTzSam]

Guns of such high prestige shouldn't be touched, there's 100's of flames and it hasn't been nerfed. The only reason a chem nerf has come up is because it gets a lot of attention and everyone cries that they can't get one and it's unfair

It's kinda ironic how the other day when you didn't have chem you conceded that it needed a change after asking worldwide who had it, who said that chem had ruined basing.
Yet now after you have chem you are now saying it shouldn't be changed at all.

The change has been live for less than an hour. If people with chem stopped complaining in complex and actually started using it they would understand that whilst it isn't the same type of gun as before, it is actually better in 1 on 1 situations than before.

The whole reason chem needed to be changed is because of all the issues the fast firerate PAIRED with the explosive damage caused. If it didn't have explosive damage there'd be no issues. Here are some issues explosive damage, fast firerate creates.

-Making it near impossible to get through base doors. Sure you can use a door charge but the spam/ radius of the bullets means you take damage THROUGH the door when placing the charge, and are either killed or lose almost all your health when going through the door way.
-It means that the bullet doesn't even have to hit the player directly because of the explosive damage, and in addition to that in small areas with lots of walls you can kill the person just from shooting the walls without even needing to physically hit them with the bullet.
- Because of the explosive radius it could be used in bases like Tachi and BBZ to take the flag from the side on. Meaning they could shoot the wall next to the flag and the explosive radius would take down the flags points without even needing to be infront of the flag.
- When taking the flag with the gun, standing infront of the flag, the radius damage paired with the knockback meant that anyone trying to melee the flag or you would be damaged and killed whilst you are still simultaneously taking down the flags points.
- The knockback is part of the explosive effect and so sometimes you are completely immobilised from knockback because of it being a 50% chance and how quickly the gun fires. If it was a slower gun like AC its fine but when you are being hit by 3-4 bullets at once, with each bullet having a 50% chance to knock you back then sometimes there's nothing you can even do to move away.

The only way you can convince me to keep the old stats is if you agree for it to be blocked from being used in bases.

[Fze]

It's kinda ironic how the other day when you didn't have chem you conceded that it needed a change after asking worldwide who had it, who said that chem had ruined basing.
Yet now after you have chem you are now saying it shouldn't be changed at all.

Exactly, it made basing only about how many Chems you could get

[N!chola$]

It's kinda ironic how the other day when you didn't have chem you conceded that it needed a change after asking worldwide who had it, who said that chem had ruined basing.
Yet now after you have chem you are now saying it shouldn't be changed at all.

Its what happens when someone's thoughts and wants are behind them. Meaning in this case if someone was beasting you with a weapon you would want it but not want the others to have it.

[BiTzSam]

Its what happens when someone's thoughts and wants are behind them. Meaning in this case if someone was beasting you with a weapon you would want it but not want the others to have it.

Correct which is why Xurs original post was to 'put a limiter on chem gun' as he was close to it and then would have gotten to get it and then if a limiter was added nobody else would have gotten to.

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Exactly, it made basing only about how many Chems you could get

Yes which is something most chem users will never accept as they want their gun to be unreasonably strong so that they/ their gang will always have the advantage. It's the whole reason Obsidian has been holding bbz from Darkside the last 2 days considering darkside has 2-3 chems and Obsidian has 5-6.

The number one complaint people are giving me is "chem takes time to get".
Yet have nothing to say in response to me asking them if that's a valid reason then why is it better than guns like the MP5a5 that not only takes 200k pks but also 35k spar wins AND 100k gralats. It'd take an average person the same time to get chem as it would for them just to get the PK requirements and maybe some of the spar requirements.