Donald, why are you still fighting this, the guns won't go back just accept it like I did
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Donald, why are you still fighting this, the guns won't go back just accept it like I did
Oh well, mpx-ing is improvement for tap firing(for me). as i use 3-4-3 stats, it feels like m4 and bar, after an hour of sparring, i decide to pk on crowded places, spamming using tap fire so i still can beat psg, p2ks, mini and metal, why? Because i have some of skills lol. Right now, i have 500 daily kills, which im doing something irl.
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Originally Posted by Key
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Your logic is flawed and your narrow minded. Of course most people won't complain because most people haven't invested $100's in Era. The rebalancing thread had nearly 1k post most protesting the nerfs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
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If you put some logic into this...
Why would shooting a gun in auto, decrease its rof? For example: BAR rof is 0.3 but when you shoot it in auto, it's more like 0.32. Whereas when you shoot it in semi, its closer to 0.3 (maximum potential). When you shoot a gun in automatic, it should fire consistently at its highest rate of fire (maximum potential). When you shoot, after the rof delay, it should fire another shot straight away. It should be semi that is inconsistent and has the potential to shoot slower. Why? Because of human error. One can not, shoot a gun at perfect timing (shooting straight after rof delays) or perform a tap/firing pattern consistently. It's near impossible. Tap too long after the delay = gun fires slower. Tap before delay ends = unresponsiveness and having to wait a millisecond before being able to tap again meaning gun fires slower. Auto should be consistently firing at the maximum rof. Whereas semi should be inconsistent. In graal however, it doesn't work that way so...
No, tap fire semi was faster than auto, but as long as im mpx-ing, my tap fire was improving, there's a tap pattern, also 3-4-3 using stats on mpx while im sparring.
Could say the same thing back. Post count means nothing, as they are not individual people. 1k people didn't post protesting, infact there were 307 REGISTERED members who viewed that thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxwashere
Meaning 307 INDIVIDUAL players WITH forums accounts that clicked onto the thread had the potential to post saying they liked/ disliked it. Yet if you look at the people who actually did post, out of those 307 members the 1k posts consist of only the same 10-30 members posting.
If you want to judge something by analytics then 30 people out of 307 people were unhappy enough to post, with the other 270+ not actually caring enough to post their opinion on it
Lol I actually started to afk f era dude i cant base or pk with my current guns
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These are Bitzsam's quotes from the Weapon Rebalancing Thread https://www.era-go.com/forum/showthr...on-Rebalancing. That being said lets get to the Grading.
Really Bitzsam no such thing as overly high stats when everyone is using the same guns. Your job is to make the guns fun not make all the guns more M4 like.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
People are still using BAR/P2k/PSG1 for basing, everyone using the Ion Carbine/ GM4/ P2K for sparring so for this YOU GET A BIG FAT F!Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Lag spikes are the servers problem so nerfing the guns is not the solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Wrong solution to the issue so F FOR YOU BITZSAM!
Its skill if people are using the same guns as each other which if you look at it they mostly still are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
If you like using M4 so much you should just make an M4 only room. Its like you're saying any other style of play is not skill based so you decided to make all guns more like M4. Theres more than enough M4 users so this shouldn't be an issue this makes more sense than nerfing all the better guns to become more like M4. Again if M4 beats a starter gun couldn't you argue that its not skill based play & its ''pay to win''? And as a result we should start nerfing M4 as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Honestly this just shows how much you're biased towards using M4.
Afking in start, roleplaying in astros or trading is still the main activity in Era.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
So ANOTHER BIG FAT F FOR YOU BITZSAM!
People doing any combat are still people with high tier guns!Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
ANOTHER F FAILED MOVE BITZSAM!
Overall, the nerfs has failed to deliver more gun diversity & more PKers.
All of it stems from Bitzsams obsession with making every gun more M4 like because in his view there were a lot of the guns were too much better than M4 therefore it wasn't fun for him & so by nerfing all guns & so by making all guns more M4 like the game will finally be more fun for him.
Pking, Sparring & Basing is still the same few guns, so as this nerf has shown Nerfing the guns is not the correct remedy for getting more PKers theres another reason why people aren't PKING & guns being overly OP or unaffordable aren't one of them.
In closing, I think that the best solution is to make a special REWARD & special room exclusively for M4 maybe a special reward gun for those complaining they can't beat a BAR in a normal spar room.
Also Bitzsam why haven't you answered my question why were guns like candy bazooka, G36 tactical nerfed? Their guns stats are in the descriptions
This your quote BItzsam according to you
By your logic these gun stats should not be touched because they are in the descriptions right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Same for mp5a5. Their stats are in the room in spar complex so therefore should not be touched.
This is the mp5a5 stats in spar complex
Damage: 9 (Perfect)
Clip 18
Freeze Rate: 0.12
Fire Rate: 0.26
Reload Freeze: 0.4-0.5
Spread: 0.09
This is the actual stats
Name - MP5a5
Freeze - 0.105
Firerate - 0.28
Spread - 0.09
Clip - 18
Reload - 0.4
Bullets - 1
Auto - N
Stacked - N
Hm BItz why'd you change the Freeze & Firerate from 0.26 to 0.28? If descriptions are provided in the game they shouldn't be touched no?
I don't have some hidden love for the m4. I just use it as the main example because it is widely accepted by the community that it is a balanced gun
It's pretty crazy and all because one person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beo
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When u have tower and in a day u decided to take a piece from the top rock in the tower now to make them balanced take from each rock that excited a piece thats how it gets balanced
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I would like to point out that making a thread will do nothing complaining about the weapon balances, that will just piss him off and it won't do any good. We will get used to it eventually. For example, we ended up accepting the fact that chem was banned from basing then moved to spar to improvise and find a use for the gun. It really isn't that big of a deal in my opinion but hey that's just me.
I don't understand why you keep bringing up the fact that when you tap fire the BAR, it shoots faster. I don't care if it shoots faster or not, the reason I bought this gun for $73 USD, something I wish I could have back if I knew you'd screw everyone, was that it was the perfect gun in my opinion - top damage, nice spread, and AUTOMATIC. Why in the hell would you make it shoot faster tap firing, yet still have the automatic feature?
Like you said earlier about those two videos, both of them are using automatic - not tap firing, so what does that say about the majority of BAR owners? They knows it shoots faster tap firing. Make it clear please.
Did you forget who is the gun admin? Lol, why do you think I don't buy expensive guns? I'm not going to spend money and end up getting screwed lmao. I just use M4 to spar that's it really even though I have other guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draxx
I've been around for a while, I've seen some gun admins come and some go. It's really hit or miss if they're good or not. I just don't understand the micromanaging skills BiTzSam has over everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxic
Well it kind a sucks when your already got the weapons...Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxic
Every gun admin has wanted to make these nerfs. The reason why they didn't is because they didn't want to deal with the backlash that comes with it. I have fairly thick skin when it comes to online insults which is why I was prepared to do what had to be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Draxx
Just saying i've held the gun admin position the longest. This change wasn't made for no reason, whilst you might not understand it because you are effected by it, in time you will realise the longterm benefit of it.
A large portion of this change was done for future proofing
Fully automatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donald
Really slow on auto, but it's automatic for sure.
I dunno why it's still like that on the original post, but I'm 100% sure it's auto, I always use it.
Bitz's I'd love to see the great changes you speak of but at the moment its hard for me to see it as anything other than you making things more M4 like. So why don''t you go ahead & explain how this is going to improve the game play long term & what do you mean by future proofing & it on what.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
Everything I've said was from my observations & there are quite a few that agree with me. Honestly I don't have as much time on this game as much as I did before. We're all growing up & we're not all gonna have as much time to wait for the changes you must understand our decision too & some of our decision to not participate in pK activities anymore. Like Beo I too have stopped basing & sparring I'm still on often but its just its all feel a bit slow to me. I love my guns with their fast firerate at the moment my gun of choice is ak47.
A lot of these changes have left a lot of us scratching our heads, so if you could I''d like you to give us a bit of insight into what to expect moving forward.
Please don't say after this changes your going to be introducing new & better guns because a lot of us are so spent on this game. We gave & spent a lot on this game already & I though my gun collection was complete as in it was an all rounder until the new gun nerfs denting my efforts.
Do clarify how are you going to improve things in the future, you're a player too you can see most of the guns are still the same maybe sparring using m4 is slightly easier but is that really worth it. It would be unfair to say those who sparred using bar v bar were not using skill because that''d be ludicrous.
So Bitz please share with us your master plan & how long we have to wait before we can expect it if not then let us have our guns back please.
Also is there really no other way besides nerfing guns?
What about Mephs suggestion in the thread. How about we do this instead?
We do it like adding spawn huts to basing & separating the heavy weight class sparring weapons from the lower & midtier guns?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meph
Also do clarify why guns like Candy Bazooka, Thompson, mp5a5 etc nerfed because their stats are clearly in the game & the descriptions so therefore shouldn't be nerfed. This is what you said
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Your just a bad gun admin end of story...Quote:
Originally Posted by BiTzSam
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Originally Posted by jaxwashere
Don't say that . He has done many great things over these yrs.
R00d, come on be nicer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxwashere
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Originally Posted by Joeyaudi1
Fine , ur work is cooooool
Impersonation of himmmm
What good things he have done lol i want to know beside banning chem from basses was actually the players well to get chem band coz he didn't bane chem all he did he made it like the green plasma then players cried so it they had 2 choices to get chem band from base and get its old stats with some buffs OR chem stays in base but with the nerfed horrible way so it was the players choiceQuote:
Originally Posted by MJ4
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This thread gives me a headache.
I hope you don't let them weigh on you, Sam. I don't know much about you or why everyone's frothing at the mouth over a few number tweaks(frankly they don't seem that major on paper, but I've never actually used the guns due to the graalat wall in front of some of them so maybe my opinion means nothing), but you seem like a decent guy whose getting a whole lotta flack for doing your job.
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Originally Posted by Beo
U were right on those 2 choices. But it's like bring Chem back to basing an nerf the guns. Or keep the chem as the way it is and no gun nerf.
Your health is important dont read this thread again or open it if it brings u headacheQuote:
Originally Posted by Kamiroo Wolf
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Still didn't tell me what good things he did beside chem banQuote:
Originally Posted by MJ4
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I would love to see you do a better job.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxwashere
Seriously, I dare you to apply.
Goodluck getting past the application.
Don't say that Bulletzone. I've no doubt in my mind that Bitzsam has done some tremendous work in the past during his time as GA, but I must say that despite that we cannot allow that to be an excuse to shield him from criticism in the present. What we are doing is having a dialogue. & Jax being a consumer has some good points granted his criticism could be taken as an ad hominid however I'd like to believe his frustration stems from the recent changes of which he is affected by so I hope everyone can be willing to see past those words & see that there is genuine concern about how this is all going to pan out. I've outlined how the actions have failed to live up to expectations & its desired outcomes & I've been told to just believe in the long term which seems more based on faith & hope rather than actual reality on what is really happening right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulletzone
I have no interest in applying. Second off don't make assumptions about what I can and can't do managing this game would be trifling compared to my real life responsibility. Also he shouldn't be the only gun admin if Eras goal is fair play for everyone it should be reflected in admin positions. I.e: multiple gun admins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulletzone
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How about giving you the ability to even play the game with dank weaponsQuote:
Originally Posted by Beo
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There is ways to give someone constructive criticism without just expecting them to Bite the bullet of what you have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donald
There is a professional way in which you can criticise someone without predominantly expressing your views on a derogatory way. You can't call someone a "bad gun admin" without actually being in their shoes.
Look at football commentators. 95% of them have had professional football experience before commentating, Why you ask? They understand what the players are going through mentally and physically, thus they can make statements that adhere's with the players actions took.
Likewise, to call Bitzsam a "bad guns admin" is the wrong approach to be taking. Instead a compromise should be made with BitzSam: whom shall be meeting the players half-way, and if he does fail to do that then you can make criticism about him not doing his job well.
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It's called freedom of expression and freedom of opinion. I don't have to criticize anyone in any particular form or fashion or even be constructive for that matter. He's a bad gun admin end of story I'm entitled to my opinion and I'm definitely not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulletzone
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Not going to be surprised if you don't get any changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxwashere
Let's continue this in the PM's as it is side-tracking the thread.
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What we have is a situation where the gun admin cheats everyone off their guns ignores reality then lies to everyone about how good things are right now.
The way he nerfed the guns is totally wrong he should have started with a gun every 1-2 weeks and at least and he should have pronounced the names of the guns that will get nerf u will say why? ik that so people who was planning to buy for example bar they would wait tell they see the new bar stats and then they can decide . It happened to me once i bought gm4 5 days before nerf so pronouncing the names would prevent this to happen. Hopefully this steps get done in future
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I like this suggestion a lot, I see a lot of others games do this as well. Meaning telling the community that the developers are looking at these certain items in-game. So they don't get the community mad (as much).Quote:
Originally Posted by Beo
Strongly agree... I mean, I got ripped off as well. I bought my metalstorm a couple days before the nerf(s).
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