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    Remove the skin reward at 15K and make a gun called Base Gun or something like that, every gang that gets 15000:00h can make a skin for that gun. I don't know if you guys like it.

    10 people can have it? Auctions stats gonna fit well on that gun.
    Last edited by Orlando; 08-29-2015 at 06:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vacci View Post
    Balancing base hours, pking and sparring going to be difficult to achieve. I'll try my best though and figure out a system that works out.


    Basing

    To be more accurate, I propose that 1 point = 5 minutes defending base. What 5 people can do in an hour can vary too much. Many gangs don't even stay active for a full hour. With such a rapid point system, gangs will have to accrue thousands of points to get like...a gang hat (2k hours / 5 minutes = 24,000 points). With the new system though, basing gangs would get to such a milestone faster than 2k hours with pk and base sitting stacking upon each other.

    It's important to note that basing and pking overlap. Because of this, I think base points should be gained slower than the rest. I wouldn't want to promote the base sitting system that we currently have. The idea would be to go out to Pk or spar, be active. Basing is more of a passive bonus for achieving an extra objective along with Pking well.


    Pking

    Since the definition of Pking in Era is rather broad, I'd like to introduce a subpoint: Pk points which then turn into gang points. This way, we'll be able to give bonuses for doing things like Pking in base, streaking, or even just attacking the base.

    I know there are gangs that do pk/streaking strictly outdoors so it's important to take note of them as well. But outdoor kills come super easily with a lot of these gangs just spamming down a street. Pk point rewards outdoors will be low.

    To promote active basing, I think it's important to reward kills that fulfill the attack/defense roles of basing. This means rewarding killing attackers as a defender and killing defenders as an attacker. This would promote dual basing as a defender not pk'ing might as well be considered a slacker since they're not also contributing to the Pk point total. It would also somewhat unite attackers as defenders would be higher profile targets. Since bases have a massive influx of players when a fort takes place, this bonus should be deactivated or at least nerfed during fort.

    Even though streaking in it's current state is very easy to do, it still takes time and some effort as opposed to just street spamming so might as well reward that as well.

    Thus overall proposal:
    200 pk points = 1 gp

    Non-base Pk (outdoor/attackers attacking attackers) = 1 pkp
    attack/defense = 4 pkp (50 base kills = 1 gp, it goes by quickly since many members would be contributing)
    defense fort time = 2 pkp
    Streak = +10 pkp (kinda just threw this number out there)

    Discussion Point: Would you consider this balanced? Does 1 base kill = 4 outdoor kills?


    Sparring

    Rewarding solo spars seems a little difficult since population varies so much. Sometimes wins come quickly when rooms are empty. Other times, wins take a long time to earn with the rooms are filled to the top. These days, a lot of matches end in less than a minute. If I had to guess, 30 seconds on average. It feels right to award based on actual fight time rather than the idle period. It'll at least encourage using more rooms instead of just the main one.

    10 spar wins = 1 gp

    I'm still very unsure about this point though as there's more things to consider like the fact that someone could just farm on newbies, or just general wide gaps in skill level. There's also the fact that gang members often fight each other, so what, would we do then? I think i need help with this part.

    Gang Sparring

    For gang sparring, rewarding skillful play is key. I'd like to reward even matchups and outnumbered matchups. Another point is that match length can vary depending on how many players are in that round. Thus, I'd like to have the following formula to reflect these two variables. An additional subpoint will be introduced for those "partial gang points".

    ((Number of Opponents)*(Number of Opponents/Size of your gang's team)) = GS points
    5 GS points = 1 Gang Point

    With this, you'll get a full gang point by winning a 5v5 Gang Spar. You could also win more than 1 gp by winning with a smaller team (winning a 2v5 = 7.5 gsp = 1.5 gp). Winning as the larger team will be discouraged as it won't earn as many points (winning a 5v2 = 0.8 gsp = 0.16 gp BUT winning a 2v2 = 2 gsp = 0.4 gp).

    To prevent boosting, I'd say introduce a system like the solo spar anti-boost where you're capped at 3 consecutive wins against a gang and must fight another gang in between to reset the cap. Another concern is how fast wins can be obtained if there's not many gangs fighting so I'm not sure if this is a fully balanced, correct answer.

    Rewards
    I'll get to this part later. I just know that the existing prizes would cost a lot. There probably will be a minimum requirement on lifetime earned to reflect the current system of rewards building upon each other.

    I'd want to reward gang loyalty somehow with a very low cost gralat payout to the gang or indivdual. Think of it as a form of payment for contributing. Or maybe just award when an individual earns a gp all by themselves. With this, players would be encouraged to go out and pk more as it'd provide a solid way to earn money.

    I'd also want to deter temporary members since that's where a lot of gangs get their strength. Perhaps by a small gp penalty for kicking would be good. It'd discourage temp members by setting gangs back by like 30 minutes worth of points or something. By taking out the temp team, basing gang sizes would be reduced as well unless the core perm team is really that active. A player leaving the gang is different as they, themselves would acknowledge that they were a temp.

    Another important note is how many members would a gang have online? A lot of basing gangs these days like to have 10+ but a lot of it is just added weight to keep numbers up while defending. Gang rewards will have to be based on a certain standard gang size.

    I'll do number crunching later lol I actually fell asleep while writing this and finished after I woke up. Maybe someone else can make a proposal.


    Notes

    I think it'd be good to track an individual's contribution to a gang (both weekly and lifetime) so leaders can take note of the harder workers.
    Haven't read all of it but it sounds great.
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    Anyway I'd like to see more balanced and organized zone payments. For example Gz gives you $250 quite often while pz gives you money like once a month. Pretty sure neo doesnt give money at all. I'd say more shops should be added to the list of zone payments and balance it out of all zones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yogy Navy View Post
    Vacci 4 gang adiam

    Anyway I'd like to see more balanced and organized zone payments. For example Gz gives you $250 quite often while pz gives you money like once a month. Pretty sure neo doesnt give money at all. I'd say more shops should be added to the list of zone payments and balance it out of all zones
    Idk.....I've been hitting it big with Lethal's huge payout of literally 1 gralat.
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  5. #95
    If a gang body was a reward it would just get ifiled lol

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    How long does it usually take for a response after sending a ticket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yogy Navy View Post
    if you're making 2k hours 8 hats you might wanna give extra 2 hats to the gangs who only got 6 in the past.

    Ideas for rewards:

    6k - 3 additional hideout rooms. It's completely illogical to substitute a freaking gang subway which has 5+ rooms with 1 hideout room.
    8k - melee skins of choice to 10 gang members
    12.5k - 5 extra members rooms in gangs
    this ^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casshern Sins View Post
    How long does it usually take for a response after sending a ticket?
    i would say probably 48 hours at the most

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwashere View Post
    This is within the same subject matter as gang changes. My gang and a few other gangs have not received gang rewards. Being ignored by admins. There seems to be gang discrimination. I know gangs have rivalry but seriously this needs to be addressed. Bitzam the "gang admin" completely ignores request.
    I do not 'ignore' request but in case you haven't realised the gang system is being overhauled, and adding rewards is not something that's going to happen in the middle of it.
    And unless you are the gang maelstrom then you haven't even messaged me, I read all my pms and they are the only recent gang that have asked for their 10k hat reward

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiTzSam View Post
    I do not 'ignore' request but in case you haven't realised the gang system is being overhauled, and adding rewards is not something that's going to happen in the middle of it.
    And unless you are the gang maelstrom then you haven't even messaged me, I read all my pms and they are the only recent gang that have asked for their 10k hat reward
    I am in the gang maelstrom me and beef have been trying to talk to you

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